任天堂Switch2でも配信中の新作ゲーム「ホロウナイト シルクソング」の価格が安すぎて「そんなに安くされちゃやってられない」と業界から批判続出！しかしユーザーは大歓迎。海賊版利用者ですら？
Good morning, everyone commuting to school or work. It’s time for some indie news from around the world. Today, we ‘ll be talking about a certain indie game that’s currently causing quite a stir . Hollow Knight: Silksong, an indie game released recently, is currently garnering ridicule and controversy for two reasons . Both of these are due to its pricing, which has shocked the industry. Today, we’ll take a closer look at what’s going on. This program brings you the hottest indie news from overseas. This channel is perfect for commuting math, so please subscribe. Now, let’s get to the main topic. As you can see here, the indie game Hollow Knight: Silksong was released recently on September 4th . Have you heard of it? It’s currently causing quite a stir overseas, with various issues arising from its pricing. First, let’s start with this one. Hollow Knight: Silksong is so cheap that even people who normally use Pirates are winning. I’ve covered this topic before, but I’d like to take a closer look at its side. Pyre. This is today’s keyword. Pyre refers to someone who boards a ship and attacks and plunders other ships. This word, I’m sure, needs no further explanation. Pyre can mean pirate. Well, the so-called “pirates” are the plural form. And, as you may have already noticed, this also has another meaning: someone who copies and sells music, movies, computers, programs, etc. , so “pet” here means “pirated .” In other words, someone who plunders other people’s property. This nuance is why they’re called “pirate .” The Japanese word “pirated version” is a literal translation of the English word. So, the phrases are exactly the same. Hollow Knight: Silksong is so cheap that even people who normally pirate games are buying it. Hollow Knight: Silksong became a huge hit among fans immediately after its release, and surprisingly, it’s so popular that even pirate users who normally steal games for free are actually purchasing it this time. After six years , Silksong has finally been released and is now available to players. Its popularity has continued to grow, surpassing the number of concurrent players of the original Coronite within minutes of release, causing many online stores to crash due to heavy traffic. So , how much did it cost? One key factor in its success is its price. Despite its long development period, Team Change is selling it for just $20, significantly lower than the $70 price tag typically associated with Top A titles. In fact, this sequel to Hope is so affordable that even those who would normally pirate the game are choosing to support it by purchasing it. So, this game is being released for $20 in Japan (2,300 yen). And because it’s so cheap, even users who normally only play pirated versions are buying it. It’s reminiscent of the North Wind and the Sun. Pirated copies of Silksong are already circulating, likely due to the lack of anti-piracy features in the PC version. Still, many members of Reddit’s piracy subreddit are urging people to buy the game legitimately this time . One post is filled with promises of purchase, and many are even saying they’re willing to pay. “I bought a game for the first time in a while,” he said. “Team Cherry has done a fantastic job. Even people on this board are buying this game. ” While the low price was cited as the main reason for this resentment, another key factor was the small development team’s dedication to consistently doing the right thing for fans, right up to the release . One commenter said, “Even though they’re only a 34-person team, they’ve done everything they could for their fans. They ‘ve made Silksong available for free to all original Hollow Knight backers on their preferred platform. If you can afford it, now’s the time to support them. I’ll never play a pirated version of this game.” Another user commented that Kim Cherry is a great studio that doesn’t do anything anti-representational. So, it’s been said that Silksong, this indie game , has succeeded in enticing people to support it with its incredibly low price . It’s also featured on Nedo . Team Cherry has released Follow Night Silksong for Nintendo Switch 2 and Nintendo Switch. The protagonist is Hornet, Princess of Hallownest, who also appeared in the previous game. The setting is Farroom, an ancient kingdom ruled by Silksong. Trapped in a strange land, Hornet embarks on a life-threatening journey to reach the summit. So, this is a 2D action game. And the development team we’ve been talking about is Team Cherry. They’ve introduced the team members here, but currently, there’s one more member, making the main team four people . So, this game was created by a very small team over a long development period, and even the hopeless people who usually only play pirated copies are willing to support this game and are paying for it . And this game is currently a huge hit, with an incredible number of users reportedly playing it on Steam . Hollow Knight: Silksong’s popularity caused temporary errors on Steam and other platforms. Hollow Knight: Silksong was finally released, and already ranked third among Steam’s most-played games. However, due to the overwhelming number of players attempting to purchase and download the game, some stores experienced errors. For example, Steam was unable to handle the influx of buyers, and the game’s store page began displaying errors within hours of its release . This is what happened with an indie game that cost just 2,300 yen. While it has been welcomed by users, the pricing has also been criticized by fellow indie game developers. This is the controversial aspect, as reported by IGN Japan. Concerns are growing that future pricing will be difficult at a time when the indie game industry is struggling due to Hollow Knight: Silksong’s low price . And here we see: some games will likely disappear due to price wars . With the release of Flow Night Silksong, many players are delighted with its surprisingly affordable price of around $20 (2,300 yen in Japan). However, some indie game studios have pointed out that while this price may be a great thing, it could lead to high expectations for other indie games that cannot be sold at such a low price . These criticisms come from studios that have worked on indie games such as Unbeatable and Kokoro no Doromantic Re :Zero. R. Lake, director of Unbeatable, has stated at Blue Sky that Flow Night Silksong should be priced at $40, without any joke. So , well, here’s the person from Blue Sky, the game developer here. Unbeatable. The developer of this game , actually posted a very critical post on Blue Sky about it. Honestly , I think Silksong should be priced at $40. I mean it. I’m not saying that a low price is inherently bad, but it certainly has its consequences, and not all of them are positive. At this point, I’m sure there were some people who thought that this person had a point, but he’s basically making fun of gamers . Even though he’s a game developer. Personally, I’m happy that it’s cheap. For me, You see, because there’s no reason to hesitate before buying it. The problem is, gamers are creatures who have a hard time understanding why things are priced the way they are. And so it goes . Silksong will probably be bought by millions on day one, and it’s a game with a very low development budget, because by budget I mean the developers worked for a long time without receiving any direct compensation. Essentially, the developers were financially independent and had free rein to develop the game, so this budget was practically nonexistent . I guess what they’re trying to say is that the previous game was successful, and a small team had free rein to develop it with that budget. That’s why they can set the price as low as they want. But by selling it at such a low price , they’re sending out a signal to the nerd level that a game of this caliber should be available for $20 . Once that nerd level of instinct is ingrained, they have to actually pay people. Games with real development budgets could be shut out unless they happen to be a random hit . So, you see, gamers don’t understand market principles, so they say that if a game this good sells for $20, other developers won’t be able to survive . It’s a simple economics argument because it’s taken for granted. If the price of what you’re supplying is higher than it should be and the quality isn’t there, it won’t sell. They set what they think is a reasonable price, and people buy it accordingly. Insulting customers isn’t a good strategy. If you want to charge a high price, you should focus on quality first. I was so angry at what you said that I ended up signing up for Blue Sky. If you want money, work for players, not trends. Excuse me, but this can only be good for consumers. Competition always benefits consumers and encourages other developers to create better products. Ultimately, it’s a win-win situation for everyone. So, I’ve responded to both this developer and this person, and while I personally appreciate the low price, I think deep down I don’t like the feel of the game. However, other developers seem to agree, and many other indie game developers agree with Lake’s sentiment . BustyGamers asked players on X how much they think RollFungus should cost, considering Silksong was priced at $20 . They initially planned to sell the game for $20. But considering it’s shorter than Silksong, should it be priced even lower ? That’s the question here. I’m a developer working on a smaller game than Silksong, and I initially thought $20 was a reasonable price . But now I’m unsure about how much it should cost. I’m aiming for a gameplay time of at least 10 to 15 hours, but I’m the only developer and I have limited time and funds. I can’t afford to sell it for next to nothing. So, Silksong released a game of this quality for $20, and I ‘m not sure if it’s okay to sell my game for $20, but I think you can price it however you like. I’ll buy it. Good luck. I’m not a developer, but I think $10 to $20 is reasonable. I also think it’s possible to adjust the price by region . Sell it for $20. The price isn’t just determined by the content of the game. Silksong is such a big game, but they can release it for $20 because they’re in a position where they can expect a return hundreds of times on their production costs. You ‘re a small developer, so you can confidently sell it for $20. It’s worth it . So, with this replan, why not just sell it for $20? Well, this seems to be the majority opinion. And now, in the wake of this controversy, this is what’s happening. Many indie developers are postponing the release of their games to avoid competing with Silksong. They had a marketing plan, but the unexpected impact of Silksong forced them to reassess everything. But I think it was the right decision. Other indie games scheduled for release on September 4th were forced to postpone their release dates, realizing they couldn’t compete with Silksong. And, as is the case here, Silksong is clearly mentioned . As developers and players, we deeply respect and look forward to Silksong. However, given its significant impact, they decided that releasing it would not be desirable for either the development team or their supporters, and one after another, indie games withdrew from their release dates on September 4th. So, as is the case here, I think that the two-week PR structure for Silksong did some damage to other indie development studios . I don’t think Team Cherry considered the impact this game would have on other indies and their marketing strategies. Honestly, I hope this never happens again. As a result, people are saying Silksong should have been a little more considerate of other indie game developers . Yes. So, today, we’ve looked at the recent release of Silksong, the sequel to Hollow Knight, which has sparked a lot of controversy due to its extremely low price. What did you think? Well, it’s a very interesting phenomenon. The extremely low price has led to pirate users paying for the game. It’s also drawing criticism from within the indie game industry. But really? Well , as for the developer mentioned earlier, I think the backlash against his attitude toward users was rather strong, and I suppose there are certainly some opinions like that. However, when you consider someone like Elon Musk, who makes high-quality games and distributes them for free, it’s understandable that this could be seen as a market storm. However, as for Silksong, the success of the previous game has helped create this kind of development environment . So , I feel it’s a bit sad that this is being perceived as market disruption . It’s really a difficult problem, but if they want prices to be in line, I think they’ll have no choice but to create a group agreement, but I’d love to hear your opinions on this . In many ways, however, this Silk Song has become a big topic of conversation, which has also served as promotion, so it may have been a big victory for this studio as well. That’s all for today’s video. 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ゲームの販売価格は個人の自由だと思います。
むしろ海賊版で遊ぶ感覚が理解出来ない😅
既に頭がヴァンサバ基準になってるからむしろ高いとすら感じる
影響が出るのはインディーズゲームよりむしろ大手メーカーのAAAタイトル（笑）でしょう
世界観を作って大迫力のムービーで没入感を出したいならゲームじゃなくて映画でも作っててください
価格なんて自由に設定すればいい
その価格に見合ったものを作ればいい
そう出来ずに他人の成功を妬むだけのスタジオは負け犬じゃけぇ
日本も昔、iPodやウォークマンだけ買って、CDはレンタルして音楽のデータを入れる人が沢山いたからあんな感覚なのかもね。今振り返れば、CDレンタルなんてアーティストに金はいらないしダメだろと思う。人間って周りのみんなやってればOKだと思ってしまうし。
イーロンは、今正に良質なAIコンパニオンを無料で配布している最中。サービス終了する競合が出てきそう。
普段インディばっか遊んでるけど、他のインディゲーと比較して高いとか安いとか思ったことないから、開発者は胸を張って自分のゲームに適切な価格をつけてほしいな
13:11 それは反トラスト法（独占禁止法）に引っ掛かるのでは？
価格設定に文句言ってる開発者は、理解してるのだろうか？
ホロウナイトの価格設定ではなく独禁法的な意味で、業界がひっくり返りかねない様な気がしてきた。
途中のゲーマーの知能が低いって人、付いてるレス見たらそりゃゲーマーを下に見たくなるよな泣
そうはいってもゲームの価格はずいぶん前から「セール前提価格」という割高な設定が猛威を振るっている、セールをしなければ埋もれてしまうからだと開発者は言う。実績のあるゲームが市場で優位になるのは競争の常だ、それをわずか数か月で数字的なインパクトの為に50％や90％オフなんて売り方をされたら興味があるゲームでさえ安くなるまで買うのを控えるだろう、ユーザーにとって適正な価格がどこにあるのかを学んだからだ。
一昔前の廉価版のような価格改定は行わずにセールで値引きインパクトが常態化しているなら最初から安い方が嬉しい
薄利多売と言う言葉もある、何百億円もするAAAゲームをセールで＄10-20で販売している現状の方がよほど小規模開発者の機会を奪ってはいないか？
任天堂がTGCでWii発表したときみたいですね。
今回の金額は、本来前作のDLCとして作られていたというのもあるのかなと思いました。
ほしいゲームなら何円でも買うので、ゲーム開発者さんは適正価格だと思う価格で販売してください。
買うかどうか迷う内容であれば、安さが決め手になりますが。
途中出てきた開発者も「うちは20ドルで売るのは無理だけど、ホロウナイトよりも面白いものを40ドルで売る」ってきっぱり言ってればカッコよかったのにな
昔、同人ゲームで似たようなことあったの思い出したけれど、それで界隈全体の価格が変わったとかなかったし、結局は制作側の情熱がプレイヤー側に伝わるかどうかよねって感想です
盗人猛々しいってこういう時に使う言葉だったんですね。
元々ＤＬＣとしてリリース予定だったシルクソングを単品でも動くようにしただけで
１から作ったタイトルとは全く違う事すら知らない奴が開発者面して経済を絡めて批判するとか世も末やな
今回はじゃなくて毎回ちゃんと買え
本当に面白いゲーム、発売を期待されているゲームなら高くてもユーザーは買うだろう。そういうゲームを作る自信はないのか？と言いたい。
そもそも非難されるは開発者じゃなくて海賊版利用者の方だろうに。売り上げに貢献してない方はどうでもいいのか？
ゲームに限らず、ビジネスなのだから少なくともリクープ出来る値段設定でよいと思う。すごく出来が良いのに内容がマニアックすぎてユーザーが限られるものは値段が高くていいし、大衆受けがよさそうなものは安くしてよりたくさん売ればよい。昔ビデオソフトでもブロックバスターって言って売れ筋の人気大作映画は通常の半額ぐらいの値段設定だった。
結局高くても安くても購入を決めるのはユーザーだし、相手を下げるよりも購入者が買いたいと思えるようPRする戦略が必要。
発売時期に関しても数か月前にシルクソングの発表あったからどうなるか予想して対策を立てるのも戦略。商売なんて競争してなんぼだろ。
そもそも安定して収入を得たいならもっと堅実な仕事を選べという
一部の開発者はこの事実を理解するのが苦手なようだ
お金を払ったのに遊びたくないワイルズの悪口はやめろーー
このゲームの作りってかなりストレスフルで前作遊んでない人には負荷がかかる要素全開で賛否両論なんだけど、
そんな意地悪なゲームを作る開発者達がユーザーファーストを徹底できるメーカーってのがなんか面白い。
価格に関しては今後DLCも確定してるからの安価な気もする。総合するとフルプライスくらいになりそうな予感。
マイクラがまさにそうだったのに今更って感じだけどねえ
正直、安い安いというから1000円切ってると思った
ああ、負け犬の遠吠えだ。
そもそも優れたゲーム作品は低価格でも売り上げはたつ、低価格で売れないゲームは無駄な開発費をかけたか作品に自信がないと開発者自ら吐露しているだけ。価格設定はお前らの自由ではあるがそれを買うかはユーザーの自由だってことをそろそろ理解すべき
3:19 いつも金払えよw
馬鹿らしい話だね。ユーザーは作品に対価を支払うんだ、価格に支払うわけじゃない。
スト6の割れリンク貼ってるアホ配信者もいたしもう驚かない。
いわゆる「ダンピング」ですね、似たような現象は昔からたくさんあります
隠居したアクセサリー作家が趣味で作った品を安価で売り始めたら、
消費者がその値段を見て、他の駆け出しの作家さんに「それより安くしろ！できなければやめろ！」と
（値段は安いけど数が少ないからすぐ売り切れてしまい、他の作家さんに攻撃を始めた構図らしいです）
脅迫まがいのコメントを連投して、その人の夢だったアクセサリー制作を断念させたりする事例を見たことがあります
攻撃的な値引き交渉は正当な権利だと思い込んで、激しく叱責していた様子でした
あとは、ちょっと毛色は違うけど
イオンモールが周辺の商店街をつぶしまくった挙句、思ったより儲からないからって撤退したり
会社が社員への福利厚生として会社前の自販機の値段を下げたら、近所の酒屋さんがつぶれたとか
趣味の副業として始めた珈琲店で、家賃が払えればいい程度の価格設定をしたら周辺のカフェがつぶれて
その後その珈琲店は本業が忙しくなったのか、好評のまま惜しまれつつ閉店したとかね
それを“正常な価格競争の結果だ”と捉えてるとしたら、ややバックボーンの調査不足と感じざるを得ません
日本だとシンプル1000／2000シリーズとかあるからなぁ。
別に安すぎるとは思えないよなぁ。
結局価値を判断するのは客だからね。
いくら作った側がこれだけのコストがかかっているんだって言い訳したって、客がその価値を認めなければ意味ない。
（因みに各業者が話し合って価格の足並みをそろえることを闇カルテルというわけだが・・・）
それと、海賊版の存在が価格の高騰を招いている、と気がつかないのか？
インディーの価格設定なんてピンキリもいいところで
ほぼアセットそのままの中身でぼったくってたり
大ボリュームなのにお値打ち品だったり
触ってりゃ当たり前に知ってることだから
正直「何言ってるんだお前は」でしかない
単に「Team Cherry すげー！」でしかない
現代のゲーム会社が大量の人員で無駄にグラフィックにかねかけて長期間かけるみたいなのが常態化してたから何もかも高い
まぁ日本国内のインディなら相場幅ではあると思うが
海外は特にグラフィックにこだわり強いイメージ
前作が大ヒットしたしこの先もずっと売れる見込みがあるからこの値段でも利益しかない
批判してる人達がこのゲーム以上に面白い物を作れませんと自白してるように感じた
批判て要はひがみか…
じゃあ次売り出す時は100ドルでいいんじゃない？ガチのユーザーなら普通に買うでしょ
クオリティの保証はされてるんだし？
買わないの？高いから？何に対して金を支払ってるのかなそういう人たち？？
美談のように仕立てる泥棒ユーザーが気持ち悪い🤮
頭おかしい理論でこちらまでおかしくなりそう
今、気付いたけどエンディングの曲プク太氏の作詞作曲なんやね！あんた何者やねんｗ
まぁ今作はって感じでしょう
次回作の内容次第では値段もあがるんじゃないですかね
それとゲーマーにコストの話しても無駄ってのはゲームだけじゃなくどの業界でもありますがね
安かったら欲しいと言い訳している奴にこんこんと話しても無駄ですから
故に製造業が衰退するわけで
海賊版メインのユーザーまでもが自主的に購入しているのなら、それこそ「公平・公正」の実現じゃないかw
押し付けたり取り締まったりしないと気が済まないのかね
後半は前半の海賊共が証拠よね
創作系でも一般職でもよくある話
「◯◯はタダでやってくれたんだけど？ あんた金取んの？」
「この程度なら△△円が妥当だろ。□□はあの出来で☓☓円で売ってんだから！」
安い良作ゲームもあって良いんじゃないと思うのだがなぁ。安いと高額なゲームよりも抵抗感と経済的打撃が少なくなるし。ホロウナイトは色んな要素から実績もあるし、普段は海賊版を利用している層も買って後悔しにくいから金を出して買いたくなる層が多いだろうしね。過去に海賊版の利用者が調査された事があるが、海賊版の利用者は正規版の利用者と同じ層を併存している者が圧倒的に多く、大抵は正規版を利用しながら海賊版を利用しているから、今回の一件は一般的な海賊版ユーザーの購買意欲を煽る戦略の一つかもしれない。今回表に出ている様な海賊版しか利用しないヘビーユーザー層は海賊版利用者の中では一割でしかないが、普段腰が重い彼らが動いたという事は海賊版市場をも揺るがすほど効果が大きかったという事なのだろう。海賊版利用者が正規版に流れれば健全な市場経済の発展に繋がるし、個人的には好ましい行動だと思う。日本じゃあまりないが国によっては給料が安定してない人も居るだろうし、最低賃金が百円と変わらない人たちも国によっては居るからな。そういう人たちは今回の件でXで開発者達と争っている人達と違ってサイレントマジョリティーだから見えにくいし。グローバルにゲームが買える世界になっても重ならない高価格帯と低価格帯の二つの市場が存在する状態になっているからこそ、今回の件が起きたのだろうな。
この海賊版プレイヤーの発言の何が変かって｢値段低くてクオリティ高いから買うべき｣って言ってる事なんだよね。普段からちゃんと買ってる人だったらこんな批評はされてなかったと思うんだけどさ。
ユーザーとしては安価で発売してくれること自体はすごくありがたい事ではあるんだが、いわゆる｢技術の安売り｣になるんだよね。値切り文句にされちゃうんよ。｢でも～～～はもっと安かった｣って。
こんにちは。カーディBネキの裁判って、アメリカでバズってるんですかね？
スマブラの桜井さんが言ってたけど何年かかった、何百人で作った、だから高いとか言われてもユーザーには全く関係ないんだよね。高ければ高いし安ければ安いだけよ
「今回は買った」とか言ってる様なカスばっかなんだからレイクさんの言ってる事は正しいだろ
話題だから飛びついた人が難しすぎるって嘆いてるの見るけどホロウナイト全実績解除するくらいちゃんと遊んでから買えばいいのに😂
海外ユーザーって海賊版に対してハードル低いよね