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Episode 686 – AI Can’t Get You Garfield feat. Ryan Broderick & Elon Musk (12/6/22)
Our old friend Elon Musk* calls in to give us some updates on company policy and future projects from Twitter HQ. Then we’re joined by Ryan Broderick, author of the Garbage Day newsletter, to discuss all things online, from the woes of politicized moderation, to a future without Twitter, to the many ethical & technological horrors presented by new AI technology.
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28 Comments
Nah this to real. 😂
"Art" shares the same root as "artificial" or "artifact." It's something, by definition, people create. BUT is art "made" by a creator or by an audience who appreciates it? At the end of the day, if AI creates an image that moves you to tears, and you want to hang it in your bathroom, it's "art" to you. Other people may or may not agree with your taste.
For all the handwringing have you guys seen anyone actually leave and stay off? I'm barely a casual user but haven't noticed anyone leave for good yet idk could be wrong.
All the cool kids have moved on to Mastodon, anyway.
And by "cool kids", I mean middle-aged MSNBC wine moms, fourth-tier academics working in lesser fields like anthropology and sociology and social work, and nebbish left-wing men with effeminate cadences.
We should all go back to Web 1.0 where every individual had to have their own website if they ever wanted to post anything
I'm 90% sure that episode 6(I think) of Cabinet of Curiosities on Netflix was completely written by an ai. It's the one with a talking rat. They don't name an actual writer I don't think.
Dear God clear your throat Ryan
16:25 MAPping™!
How come everyone just IS their name since like 2007? Chatterton talking about emails? Bankman-Fried fries your bank account? Madoff (made off?).
I mean seriously can they just be a little creative?
Youve got to go bleep bloop to you know stop for the schoolbus.
you haven't updated your tesla
bleep bloop :3
crashes you into a tree
The most annoying people in the AI art debate are, to me, the Twitter artists with an average of 2.5 commission links in their bio who act like their jobs getting automated is more uniquely evil and dystopian than anyone else's. When McDonald's replaces real, flesh-and-blood human cashiers who have real thoughts, feelings, smiles, etc. with a touchscreen kiosk, that's just automation. But apparently, any and all hand drawn art is some sort of transcendent, important, sacrosanct thing that AI art removes the "soul" of.
I've seen people regurgitate the old 2004 "You Wouldn't Download a Car" ad campaign to tell people why they don't deserve art if they can't afford it. "You don't understand, you have to support my specific line of work, because I've spent my entire life laboring under the delusion that it was more important than any other skill, and couldn't have ever possibly been automated, and now that I see that capitalism subsumes all, I'm going to cry and beg until the Internet collectively decides that my job can be an exception to this reality."
15:18 listen to Felix, sounding like a little BITTCH. ForceTheVote was correct AF by the way
29:55 an app we're not even thinking of as a Twitter competitor? I've got one word for you: in Trump voice Trowth Cential.
will needs to learn about stochastic generation lol
hearing about all of this just makes me want to die. will silicon valley not rest until we are all enslaved by skynet?
virtual champagne
far out it's weird hearing people talk who actually cared about twitter.
fuck it's weird hearing people talk who actually cared about twitter.
I've been study8ing Ai ethics and Ai art in particular for the last couple years, and this guy has some fire points.
The worst takes i've ever heard from Chapo. Will's dismissal of AI-generated art was just old-man wishcasting.
And Matt & Felix dismissing the Balenciaga story as a PR stunt (which it is obviously is) without addressing their designers' long, explicitly creepy history) is… weird. Disappointing.
"garbage day" = something awful reference?
Broderick seems so knowledgeable. I guess the plagiarism was just a really weird time.
I love how you re-write history. Parler was TAKEN down. It didn't fail.
Holy fuck! Way to support the shitlibs! I am amazed that you people cannot even seem to grasp the concept of why the first amendment is important. Wowzer
I'd add a bit of nuance to the twitter leaks. It was obvious to us and anyone paying attention that the political campaigns had access to twitter management, who were very pliable to their asks (and the -D had a stronger hand than the -R). Anyone pointing this out before would be met to claims of plausible deniability that such manipulation of social media wasn't happening, and now that cop out is removed. It's not an 'exciting' story, true, I'd contend that confirmation of something that was previously just suspected is a story.
What's wierd about it? They've been doing exactly that going on 36 months with covid/ cold virus?!?, Just because Chappo has ignored all of it? Shows nobody is willing to dump of the censorship of YouTube for Rumble
The anti-AI stuff is such twitter-brained nonsense. I wouldn't buy a text prompt that someone spent their time tweaking because I enjoy using the tech myself, but people buy blender assets all the time if they want to make graphics or a simple 3D animation without having a dedicated pro putting things together, and that market is going to evolve in a similar way here. Is photoshop art? What would artists have said when photoshop just emerged? The good artists who were savvy probably found a way to integrate it into their skillset. Is photobashing art? The people bitching about AI generated images probably don't know what photobashing even is, or maybe they're embarrassed by it, lol. Will artists and graphic designers suffer because of AI? Well, most magazines don't have a team of draftsmen working around the clock to do their layouts… They have a couple guys who know how to use Adobe tools like Indesign, illustrator, and photoshop. The market is always evolving, and that's why ads don't look like they did in the 50's and 60's anymore.